Freakybaby AkA Ronishia

I am someone who loves UFO/Alien stuff having had a few of my own experiences over the years so I thought I would share this story I saw a while back. The reason I found this fascinating was because of the sheer amount of evidence, eye witnesses , news reports and documentation from both public and military. Other than Roswell this one a pretty big thing 

After several hours of searching nothing was found and the search was called off at approximately 3:00 am. Both the NORAD and the Rescue Coordination Center in Halifax had been contacted by the RCMP and found that there had been no reports that evening of missing aircraft, either civilian or military. 

On October 5th (the following day), the Rescue Coordination Center filed a report with the Canadian Forces Headquarters in Ottawa. This report stated that something had crashed into the water in Shag Harbor, but the object was of “unknown origin.” The Canadian Forces Headquarters dispatched the HMCS Granby to Shag Harbor crash site, and using advanced detection equipment and specially trained divers from the Navy and the RCMP, the Canadian military systematically searched the sea floor for several days, and found nothing.

Two days after the crash, RCC had assembled a team of Navy divers, who for the next three days combed the bottom of the harbor looking for the object. One local fisherman said he saw them bringing up aluminum-colored metal debris, although it was unclear if this had been actual crash debris. The final report, e.g., said not a trace of the crash object had been found. 

Evidence from various military and civilian witnesses also emerged of a highly secretive military search involving a small flotilla of U.S. and Canadian ships about 30 miles to the NE of Shag Harbour near Shelburne, site of a supersecret submarine detection base. According to one military witness, he was briefed that the object had been originally picked up on radar coming out of Siberia. After crashing in Shag Harbour, it traveled underwater up the coast and came to rest on top of the submarine magnetic detection grid near Shelburne. The ships were anchored there for a week, apparently in an attempt to recover the object. A barge was hurriedly brought in on which to place the object, with a likely cover story printed in local newspapers to explain its presence there. 

Many photographs were taken by divers and some foam-like debris brought up. One talkative diver stated that the object wasn’t from planet Earth. Another military witness claimed that there were actually two objects, one perhaps trying to assist the other. 

After a week, the fleet departed to chase an intruding Russian submarine. In the meantime, the object or objects disappeared. A seemingly identical UFO was then seen by witnesses to depart from Woods Harbour, only half a mile from Shag Harbour. 

There had been numerous UFO sightings in eastern Canada and southwestern Nova Scotia in the hours leading up to the crash. However, the reports are scattered in times and locations. In some cases a single object was reported; in other cases multiple objects. Thus it is not clear whether these various UFO events were directly connected with the Shag Harbour crash object. However, it can be said there was a very high concentration of strange lights maneuvering in the skies of southwestern Nova Scotia on the night of Oct. 4, 1967. In the end, the primary investigators concluded from various evidence that more than one object may have been involved in the crash.

The reports began at least 4 hours before the crash around 7:20 p.m. when two airline pilots near Montreal, nearly 400 miles west of Shag Harbour, reported two large explosions near a glowing, orange, rectangular object trailed by a string of lights. The trailing lights broke formation and danced around the glowing explosion clouds. 

The first report from the Halifax, N.S. area, about 150 miles NE of Shag Harbour, began at around 7:50 p.m., followed by another one about 40 miles SW of Halifax at around 8:30, and about 10 miles further SW at around 10:45. 

At 10:00, numerous witnesses in the Halifax/Dartmouth N.S. area saw a glowing, orange-red ball 40-60 feet in diameter floating slowly along the harbor coastline. One of these witnesses was Chris Styles, age 12, who came within 100 feet of the object. 26 years later, Styles was to resurrect the Shag Harbour case and become its principle investigator. 

At about 9:00 p.m., a fishing boat near Halifax, N.S., spotted three bright red lights near the horizon to the NE and four solid objects on ship’s radar (3 not visible) forming a square pattern 6 miles on a side. At around 11:00 p.m., one of the red lights rose straight up in the air and passed over the boat, taking it in the general direction of Shag Harbour to the SW. The captain later filed a report with the RCMP thinking his ship’s sighting might be connected with the reported search for the crash object at Shag Harbour. 

By around 11:00 p.m., the UFO reports had shifted from the Atlantic southeastern side of Nova Scotia to the northwestern Bay of Fundy area. The last of these reports came from a herring fleet and observers on shore. The objects again departed in the direction of Shag Harbour, perhaps just prior to the crash at around 11:20 p.m. 

In interviews with divers, and crew members from the HMCS Granby they discovered some startling information. The object that dove into the waters off of Shag Harbor had been tracked, and it had actually traveled underwater for a distance of about 25 miles to a place called Government Point. In the 1960’s the U.S. had maintained a small but technically advanced military base at Government Point, managing a Magnetic Anomaly Detection system (MAD grid) for the purpose of detecting and tracking submarines in the North Atlantic using . 

The U.S. military had most definitely detected the object on its sensitive tracking equipment. Naval vessels were dispatched and positioned over the unidentified object, where it had stopped. After 3 days of no movement, and not knowing exactly what it was, the military was planning to initiate an investigative salvage operation. As the Navy waited and planned, the detection equipment picked up another object moving in, and to the amazement of all those involved, joined the first object on the ocean floor. The speculation at the time, was that the second UFO (I guess officially now an Underwater Flying Object) was there to render aid to the first object.

Under the cover of this new activity on the surface, both UFOs made their move, accelerating underwater toward the Gulf of Maine. The remaining Navy vessels pursued them toward the United States, but the objects continued to distance themselves from their trackers. To the astonishment of the pursuers, both of the objects broke to the surface and shot skyward to vanish within seconds. 

According to the researchers, while these observations were well corroborated by many credible eye witnesses, these accounts were given “Off the Record” by military, ex-military, and civilian personnel who fear harassment, ridicule, or loss of pension. So as the saying goes, “only the names have been changed to protect the innocent.”

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Video Link: www.cnn.com… 

Like many, I was fascinated with this case back in 1997 soon after it occurred and I first saw the story on CNN and USA Today. Here was a major UFO sighting on a massive scale, captured on video, and showed on major media outlets! Wow! 

There is no question that mysterious lights appeared in the sky…they were seen by thousands, even videoed by numerous witnesses. 

But, soon my elation turned to disappointment after seeing the flares explanation marvelously illustrated on television documentaries, etc. So, like many others, I filed this case into the neat, but explained category. Little did I know how much, much more there was to the story… 

First and most importantly, after looking more deeply into this case, the lights in the videos (yes, there were many videos of the lights) were neither the first nor the only sightings that evening. Sightings began hours earlier, were reported through official channels at the time, and have remarkable similarities. While this doesn’t prove much, I did find it intriguing enough to delve a bit deeper into the case. 

Secondly, while the flare explanation and the lights disappearing behind the mountain wowed many of us, this same explanation fails to explain the accounts and video (yes, video) of the first sighting hours earlier…so what was seen then? 

Between 7:30pm and 10:30pm MST, lights of varying descriptions were seen by thousands of witnesses over a path of around 300 miles long… For the flares explanation to be valid for all sightings, this would have had to have been a massive exercise and multiple flare drops, and so far, no such claim has been made by the military, beyond Operation Snowbird and the one event flares seen over Phoenix. 

Was this a case of an actual unidentified craft (whether spaceship or top secret design), or was this all just a massive flare exercise? Was it both, with a craft initially, and then a cover-up by dropping flares? Was it a combination of planes and flares? Hopefully, the thorough investigation that follows will provide enough information to allow people to decide for themselves. 

I’ll caution that like some of my other threads such as Roswell, the Hill Case, the Kinross Incident, Rendlesham, etc., this will be a long read, but hopefully you will find the information worth it. I’ll present the timeline of events, compiled from numerous sources, and strive to present as much information about each sighting as possible. 

FIRST EVENT 

6:55 PM Thursday, March 13, 1997 
There’s no place to start like the beginning, so with that we’ll begin with the first commonly regarded sighting. A young man in Henderson, NV (in a report to NUFORC, the National UFO Reporting Center) witnessed what he described as a V-shaped object with 6 large lights on its leading edge, approach from the northwest and pass overhead. He described it as large, about the “size of a (Boeing) 747” and said it sounded like “rushing wind”. It continued in a southeasterly direction and then vanished (Peter Davenport, Director of NUFORC) 
Source: www.ufoevidence.org… 
From the actual report itself, I’m assuming the witness was younger than a “young man”, but one can decide for themselves by seeing the original report here: 
 

7:30 PM 
Initial sightings over Superstitious Mountains, east of Phoenix. 
ufos.about.com…

8:15 PM 
A former police officer in Paulden, AZ left his home and was driving north when he saw a cluster of 5 reddish or orange lights. 4 of the lights were together, with the 5th trailing the other 4. Each individual light appeared to consist of two separate point sources of orange light. He heard no noise. 
Source: www.nuforc.org… 

 

The witness returned home, grabbed his binoculars, and then observed the lights for another two minutes, before out of his sight. 
(Peter Davenport, Director of NUFORC) 
www.ufoevidence.org… 

Video of first event! 

 
 

These stills are from the only video I found of the first event (i.e. it takes place prior to the 10pm sightings). Unfortunately, this was from a documentary on the Travel Channel, that I cannot seem to find a reference to (and it has since deleted from my DVR). I believe it was simply called “The Phoenix Lights” and aired in Feb. of this year. The stills are from screenshots I took then of the documentary. On the 2nd, I drew in the lines to see the dots in question (which were much more evident on the video, and moving fast across the sky, about jet speed, though difficult to tell as few references in the vid.) It’s an excellent special, if you ever see it, or it makes its way to YouTube. 

8:30 PM 
A Mr. Kelley and his wife witness the sighting from the west end of the valley in Glendale, AZ. 

“They saw a perfect V-shaped formation of 7 lights, a lead light with 3 trailing lights on each side of the V formation. He pulled the car off of 67th and shut off his motor so that they could exit the car and watch the formation more closely. It was difficult for Kelley to determine whether they were watching one object or a flight of smaller objects. They watched the event for several minutes. Kelley and his wife are both ex-Air Force and were well acquainted with aircraft and their characteristics. There were no navigation lights visible and no engine sounds detectable.”

[He was] standing outside with his wife and sons in Prescott Valley, when they noticed a cluster of lights to in the west-northwest of their position. The lights formed a triangular pattern, but all of them appeared to be red, with the exception of the light at the nose of the object, which was distinctly white. The object, or objects, which had been observed for approximately 2-3 minutes with binoculars, then passed directly overhead the observers, they were seen to “bank to the right,” and they then disappeared in the night sky to the southeast of Prescott Valley

Five adults and a youth were driving north on Highway 69 to an appointment in Prescott, when they witnessed a very large cluster of lights, which formed a “V” shape in the sky. The driver pulled off the road into a grocery store parking lot, and all the occupants got out of their car in order to get a better look at the object. By this time, the object was directly above them, where it appeared to hover for several minutes.

Blocked Out the Stars: Among the most reliable witnesses of the craft’s movements that first night were two airplane pilots, one retired from an airline, and another from Vietnam, who was also a U. S. Marshall. Though seeing the object at different times and places, both men described a craft of “immense size,” measuring up to a mile long. The Marshall could also see the city lights of Phoenix reflecting from the bottom of the massive object, while it “blocked out the stars.”

I’ll never be the same. Before this, if anybody had told me they saw a UFO, I would’ve said, ‘Yeah, and I believe in the tooth fairy’. Now I’ve got a whole new view. I may be just a dumb truck driver, but I’ve seen something that don’t belong here.”

“When it finally got here and we realized this thing was coming right over us, we really started getting antsy,” Ley said. Then, said he and his son Hal, it went directly overhead in complete silence. 
Tim Ley said that when the right side of what appeared to be a giant V-shaped craft directly over him, the left side was a couple of blocks away. 
His wife, Bobbi, who also saw the aerial light show, said the size of the craft they saw was overwhelming. But, she said, “It didn’t seem threatening. … When it was right overhead and we couldn’t hear a sound, it was like you’re just awestruck.”

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While nobody knows for sure what the Leys and hundreds of others saw, Tim Ley is sure his family will never forget that night. He said it has changed his outlook on the UFO movement, turning him from a “polite skeptic” to someone quite open to the experiences of UFO believers.

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The preceding analysis shows that, at the very least, the triangulation data suggest flares at high altitude and great distance. These cannot be ruled out as likely sources for the lights unless there are some very convincing data of some other sort not available to this author. In fact, the most pars ominous explanation for these lights is that they were flares (as so stated for the March 13, 1997 lights by the Maryland National Guard). This analysis is thereforeconsistent with that of the Cognitech Corporation (Dr. Leonid Rudin) done for the Discovery Channel documentary (November, 1997). It is also consistent with the analysis of Dr. Paul Scowen, professor of astronomy at ASU, as reported by author Tony Ortega in the Phoenix “New Times” newspaper, March 5-11, 1998, which showed that the lights were farther away than the mountain peaks in the K video. In that newspaper article the author also reported that an “Arizona National Guard public information officer, Captain Eileen Benz, had determined that the flares had been dropped at 10 P.M. over the North Tac Range 30 miles southwest of Phoenix at an unusually high altitude of 15,000 ft.” Except for the stated distance, which should be more like 60 miles (and up to 100 miles away) this statement is consistent with the analysis presented here.

“The LUU-2 has a burn time of approximately 5 minutes while suspended from a parachute. The pyrotechnic candle consumes the flare housing, reducing flare weight which in turn slows the rate of fall during the last 2 minutes of burn time. At candle burnout an explosive bolt is fired, releasing one parachute support cable which causes the parachute to collapse. While unburned flares falling from high altitude could be dangerous, burned flares are much less dangerous since they are designed to burn up during the fall (even the aluminum casing is burned).”

“She learned that on March 13, when area authorities were inundated by 
callers questioning the origin of a boomerang formation of lights over 
the Phoenix valley, the Maryland Air National Guard was running an 
exercise called Operation Snowbird along the Barry Goldwater Gunnery 
Range to the southwest.=20 

She also learned that the Maryland force flew eight A-10s and dropped 
high-intensity flares on the way back to Davis-Monthan Air Force Base 
at Tucson.=20 

Arizona military bases had said they had nothing in the air that would 
have caused the lights. They found otherwise when, under urging by 
Bienz, they checked into visiting aircraft.=20 

Operation Snowbird brings aircraft from bases in the northern United 
States into Arizona from November to April.=20 

A Davis-Monthan flight schedule shows a squadron of Operation Snowbird 
planes left at 8:15 p.m. on March 13 and returned at 10:30 p.m.=20 

A spokesman for Luke Air Force Base confirmed that the Maryland planes 
were authorized to use the Goldwater range from 9:30 to 10 that night.=20”

“But Snowbird planes might account for the lights seen near 10 p.m. in 
the west, the sightings that provided most of the videotape and 
photographs.=20 

“Our guys did create, while they were up there, an event that this one 
colonel told me could be perceived as a hell of a light show,” said 
Capt. Drew Sullins of the Maryland Guard.=20 

Sullins said the planes were probably in a formation, then peeled off 
one or two at a time to perform runs during which they would drop 
high-intensity flares, called Luu-2, made of either magnesium or 
cesium.=20 

The flares are suspended by a tiny parachute, may be visible for over a 
hundred miles and take a long time to drop, Sullins and others said.=20 

When the planes had completed their required runs, they still had a 
bunch of flares left, and Davis-Monthan doesn’t allow planes to land 
with flares aboard — so they jettisoned the remaining flares as they 
left the range.=20”

(Same source as previous) 

 
The above was further corroborated by Lt. Col. Tanaka (above) of the Maryland National Guard. 

GOVERNOR’S JOKE 

As the citizens demanded answers about the event, Arizona governor Fife Symington stated he ordered an investigation. 

 
 

But, he then later called reporters to his office to say there had been a break in the case and that they had discovered the source of the lights, and arrested the guilty party. Needless to say, while amusing to many, to those who honestly seek explanations for what they saw, it was not very amusing at all when they led in Symington’s aide, wearing a silver suit and alien head mask… 

 
 

Source: www.esva.net… 

CONCLUSIONS 

From the witness reports, it would seem that at least two major events took place on March 13, 1997 in the skies of Arizona. The second event, the one captured on numerous video cameras, photos, etc. seems adequately explained by the flares dropped during Operation Snowbird. The burn times are consistent with the observed duration, video analysis shows the flares going behind the mountains, and subsequent footage of flares appears identical to the observed phenomenon. 

However, what was the first event? The jury is still out on that one. Personally, I feel it is more likely a combination of untrained observers seeing the jet formation (that later dropped the flares) and earlier dropped flares (as the military reports two flare drops, the initial use, and then the dumping of flares). However, the witnesses’ reports cannot be dismissed so easily out of hand. Unfortunately, for the first sighting event, that is about all we have to go on aside from one very unclear video that is nearly undistinguishable from a jet formation. 

The first sighting may remain an enigma, unless more data is obtained perhaps regarding the exact flight path of the A-10s, and the exact times and formations flown and flares dropped to either explain, or rule out the A-10s role (if any) in the first sighting. Additionally, many of the times and witness names are not included in the earlier sightings’ reports, making them extremely difficult to include in the analysis (or even assign to the correct event), as they cannot be corroborated and verified. I’m sure I have not included EVERYTHING here in this initial post, and look forward to additions, including following up with some of my own further research. My goal here (in this post) was more to include a general, but thorough overview of the events, and allow the readers to examine the evidence for themselves. 

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Heres an interesting thought, I was sitting thinking today about how I got into the whole *conspiracy scene* and what I envisioned what a conspiracy theorists would look like. I always envisioned a character like what is portrayed in mel gibsons conspiracy theory movie, or even some poor dork/geek of a lad/gal living in their mothers basements, surrounded by tinfoil stuff, multiple monitors and servers and keyboards etc bit like 

I was thinking back to *before* conspiracies entered my life and I wondered something – have I turned more insane?? :O  

Seriously though between the illuminati, the NWO, various government agencies, HAARP, religious sects, other secret societies and aliens, it’s not safe out there anymore  , conspiracies appear everywhere in life now, from those odd silent phone calls to the way someone *looks* at you, TV mind controlling you  its no secret they bug everything and watch your every move  

Adding extra tinfoil just incase. 

But in all seriousness though guys, do you think that knowing about all the conspiracies out there has either: 

1. Made you more paranoid 

2. Made you more aware 

3. Made you think theorists are just a bunch of nutters 

4. or all of the above and more 

For me when I first started out years ago my mind went into meltdown, I saw shadow people, aliens, fbi,nsa,cia, secret service, spies, and everything else in everything I done or watched, once my nerves calmed down and I stopped using the nightlight, I realized that no 

1. they aint all out to get you………….i don’t think 
2. Aliens are not probing you and shadowing you around…………….i hope 

3. Not everything weather related is HAARP, there is a thing called nature ———-so am told   

4. not everything that moves at the corner of your eye is a monster/demon/ghost/alien/ninja 

I just wanted to do this ramble as a word to the wise of the newer members and yea even some of the older ones, take some time away from conspiracies for a bit, chill out, speak to your loved ones and friends, eat some food and have a nap, the conspiracies will still be here when you get back. Were as some healthy paranoia is good for you, being able to question things we are fed is good for you but if you don’t retain a little bit of skepticism and sanity your brain will melt, followed by the rest of your body and you will end up a quivering wreck….i kid you not look what happened ot a friend of mine  

ronisfreakyrambles:

Im a huge fan of conspiracy theories, and not just the hooky alien/ufo ones but almost all things conspiracy related.  i have been a member of this one site called Abovetopsecret.com for over 5 years now & this site has a vast range of topics to suit almost anyones thirst for knowledge,understanding etc our site motto is :Deny Ignorance!.

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i was browsing around the internet and came across this article from the daily telegraph, showing pictures taking over the period of 140 years of ufo sighting. the article comes in 2 parts. Thought this would be of intrest to other UFO buffs out there. Also on the page if you look at the related articles section there is alot of very intresting links there go have have a look. 

PART 1 

PART 2 

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I am a huge fan of conspiracy theories, All the Tinfoil hat wearing stuff, not that i belive everything i read but it is great to speculate! i have been a member of this one site called Abovetopsecret.com for over 5 years now & this site has an amazing range of topics on offer that will suit almost anyone.

The site motto is Deny Ignorance!

Here is just a handful of Forums/topics they have on offer:

Alien & UFO

9/11

World war 3

Breaking News stories

Breaking political news

Japan

political madness

general conspiracies

New world order

weaponry

Survival

Deep water disasters

Area 51 & other facilities

Social issues and civil unrest

Geo-engieneering & chem-trails

political conspiracies

current events

Conspiracies in Religion

Diseases & pandemics

Fragile Earth

Terrorism

Paranormal studies

Cryptozoology

Ancient & Lost civilisations

JFK conspiracies (i recoment checking out a user called RisingAgainst, his threads on this subject are awe inspiring)

2012

Philosophy and Metaphysics

Science & Technology

Seti @Home Discussion

And many many more……….

Yes a lot of theories are kind of far fetched but the majority of regular posters there are a great bunch of people, and alot of the staff are very hands on and fun , there is something in there for everyone. They have an ATS chat room (this requires a set amount of posts before you can enter) and they have their very own radio shows that beam out live several days a week that caters to the different time zones. Worth checking out - these are the stats for this sitefor today alone…

Total Posts: 13,092,019

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Total Members: 251,761

8,080 new posts in the past 24 hours

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